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kcirbuk
Posted 2024-06-30 5:39 AM (#30016)
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Is there or has there been a list of the highest user rated books of WWEnd?
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Posted 2024-06-30 7:57 AM (#30017 - in reply to #30016)
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kcirbuk - 2024-06-30 5:39 AM Is there or has there been a list of the highest user rated books of WWEnd?

When you find that you've missed such an obviously great idea it's almost embarrassing -- but that is what we love about all the great member input. Ya'll keep giving us great ideas to make the site better!

A highest user rated list sounds interesting and we definitely have the data to make that happen. How about 3 new lists?

  1. WWEnd Top Member Rated SF
  2. WWEnd Top Member Rated Fantasy
  3. WWEnd Top Member Rated Horror
They would be live lists where books can move up and down over time as more people join and tag their books. We'll have to run the numbers and come up with a minimum rating to keep the list length in control. We usually aim for a list of around 100 though we could go shorter. I'm not sure how many people would look at a list like this past the top 20 any way. Thoughts on list length? Anything else we should consider?
 
Thanks for the great idea, kcirbuk!
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lisagarrity
Posted 2024-06-30 9:01 AM (#30018 - in reply to #30016)
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Location: California		Can you include the number of people rating as well? A 4.5 book rated by 3 users means something diffeent than a 4.5 book rated by 197 users.
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Posted 2024-06-30 10:07 AM (#30019 - in reply to #30018)
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lisagarrity - 2024-06-30 9:01 AM Can you include the number of people rating as well? A 4.5 book rated by 3 users means something different than a 4.5 book rated by 197 users.

Yeah, we'll have to come up with an algorithm that takes number of ratings into account. I said we'd need to come up with a minimum rating to keep the length under control but I should have said minimum number of ratings instead. Whargoul is a wizz at this sort of thing.

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kcirbuk
Posted 2024-07-02 2:58 PM (#30024 - in reply to #30017)
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kcirbuk - 2024-06-30 5:39 AM Is there or has there been a list of the highest user rated books of WWEnd?

When you find that you've missed such an obviously great idea it's almost embarrassing -- but that is what we love about all the great member input. Ya'll keep giving us great ideas to make the site better!

A highest user rated list sounds interesting and we definitely have the data to make that happen. How about 3 new lists?

  1. WWEnd Top Member Rated SF
  2. WWEnd Top Member Rated Fantasy
  3. WWEnd Top Member Rated Horror
They would be live lists where books can move up and down over time as more people join and tag their books. We'll have to run the numbers and come up with a minimum rating to keep the list length in control. We usually aim for a list of around 100 though we could go shorter. I'm not sure how many people would look at a list like this past the top 20 any way. Thoughts on list length? Anything else we should consider?
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Thanks for the great idea, kcirbuk!


Those three lists sound really nice! And great to hear that you like the idea!

I think it could still be interesting with a top 100 list, but it depends a bit on the spread of the ratings. If many books end up with the same rating it is not as interesting as if there are some books which are clearly ranked 1-20 for example.

And like lisagarrity mentioned, a cutoff of number of votes would be nice. Maybe 50 votes? 100? I guess if you have the rating data easily accessible you can create a nice cutoff from it!

Edited by kcirbuk 2024-07-02 3:01 PM
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kcirbuk
Posted 2024-12-04 4:47 AM (#30651 - in reply to #30016)
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I had some time on my hands a while a go so went through the lists to figure out the highest rated books. In case anyone is interested!


Top 100 rated Science-Fiction books (minimum number of ratings = 80)


Title Author Score Ratings
1 Dune Frank Herbert 4.490 934
2 Watchmen Alan Moore,Dave Gibbons 4.440 257
3 Kindred Octavia E. Butler 4.430 127
4 Hyperion Dan Simmons 4.420 625
5 Nineteen Eighty-Four George Orwell 4.385 622
6 Ender's Game Orson Scott Card 4.370 931
7 The Book of the New Sun, Volume 2: Sword and Citadel Gene Wolfe 4.355 94
8 Anathem Neal Stephenson 4.345 267
9 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Douglas Adams 4.340 659
10 A Deepness in the Sky Vernor Vinge 4.340 261
11 The Fifth Season N. K. Jemisin 4.335 218
12 Replay Ken Grimwood 4.330 97
13 The Martian Andy Weir 4.330 262
14 Flowers for Algernon Daniel Keyes 4.320 487
15 Cryptonomicon Neal Stephenson 4.280 306
16 The Foundation Trilogy Isaac Asimov 4.275 426
17 The Fall of Hyperion Dan Simmons 4.260 434
18 Memory Lois McMaster Bujold 4.245 98
19 The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August Claire North 4.240 90
20 Children of Time Adrian Tchaikovsky 4.230 94
21 The Forever War Joe Haldeman 4.225 684
22 Cloud Atlas David Mitchell 4.220 151
23 The Player of Games Iain M. Banks 4.220 199
24 The Handmaid's Tale Margaret Atwood 4.215 409
25 The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia Ursula K. Le Guin 4.215 428
26 Roadside Picnic Arkady Strugatsky,Boris Strugatsky 4.210 198
27 Snow Crash Neal Stephenson 4.210 399
28 11/22/63 Stephen King 4.205 123
29 V For Vendetta Alan Moore,David Lloyd 4.200 83
30 A Fire Upon the Deep Vernor Vinge 4.200 361
31 Earth Abides George R. Stewart 4.185 163
32 The Diamond Age Neal Stephenson 4.175 328
33 The Sword of the Lictor Gene Wolfe 4.175 160
34 Surface Detail Iain M. Banks 4.170 85
35 The Sparrow Mary Doria Russell 4.170 190
36 The Citadel of the Autarch Gene Wolfe 4.170 144
37 Rendezvous with Rama Arthur C. Clarke 4.165 612
38 The Speed of Dark Elizabeth Moon 4.160 98
39 Parable of the Talents Octavia E. Butler 4.155 87
40 Mirror Dance Lois McMaster Bujold 4.155 124
41 Parable of the Sower Octavia E. Butler 4.150 119
42 The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 4.150 504
43 Use of Weapons Iain M. Banks 4.150 172
44 The Road Cormac McCarthy 4.145 290
45 Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Philip K. Dick 4.145 597
46 The Stars My Destination Alfred Bester 4.135 378
47 Spin Robert Charles Wilson 4.135 288
48 Non-Stop Brian W. Aldiss 4.135 111
49 Blindsight Peter Watts 4.135 147
50 Redemption Ark Alastair Reynolds 4.130 92
51 Chasm City Alastair Reynolds 4.130 87
52 Endymion Dan Simmons 4.125 198
53 Slaughterhouse-Five: or The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death Kurt Vonnegut 4.120 472
54 2001: A Space Odyssey Arthur C. Clarke 4.120 387
55 The Obelisk Gate N. K. Jemisin 4.115 148
56 Old Man's War John Scalzi 4.115 452
57 I Am Legend Richard Matheson 4.115 374
58 Ubik Philip K. Dick 4.115 277
59 The Rise of Endymion Dan Simmons 4.110 212
60 The Martian Chronicles Ray Bradbury 4.110 416
61 All Clear Connie Willis 4.110 108
62 Second Foundation Isaac Asimov 4.110 260
63 A Closed and Common Orbit Becky Chambers 4.105 100
64 Childhood's End Arthur C. Clarke 4.105 458
65 Caliban's War James S. A. Corey 4.105 142
66 Ready Player One Ernest Cline 4.100 259
67 The Time Machine and The War of the Worlds H. G. Wells 4.100 163
68 Foundation Isaac Asimov 4.095 423
69 Abaddon's Gate James S. A. Corey 4.095 129
70 Station Eleven Emily St. John Mandel 4.090 171
71 Excession Iain M. Banks 4.090 119
72 Animal Farm: A Fairy Story George Orwell 4.090 475
73 A Canticle for Leibowitz Walter M. Miller, Jr. 4.090 499
74 Fahrenheit 451 Ray Bradbury 4.090 578
75 Cat's Cradle Kurt Vonnegut 4.090 324
76 I, Robot Isaac Asimov 4.085 380
77 A Clockwork Orange Anthony Burgess 4.085 292
78 The Stone Sky N. K. Jemisin 4.085 138
79 Speaker for the Dead Orson Scott Card 4.085 489
80 Gateway Frederik Pohl 4.085 397
81 The Book of the New Sun, Volume 1: Shadow and Claw Gene Wolfe 4.080 143
82 The Claw of the Conciliator Gene Wolfe 4.080 189
83 The Shadow of the Torturer Gene Wolfe 4.080 251
84 The Illustrated Man Ray Bradbury 4.075 186
85 The Restaurant at the End of the Universe Douglas Adams 4.075 289
86 Jurassic Park Michael Crichton 4.070 132
87 The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Robert A. Heinlein 4.065 437
88 All Systems Red Martha Wells 4.065 157
89 Barrayar Lois McMaster Bujold 4.065 178
90 Downward to the Earth Robert Silverberg 4.060 93
91 The City & the City China Miéville 4.060 346
92 Matter Iain M. Banks 4.055 89
93 The Warrior's Apprentice Lois McMaster Bujold 4.055 120
94 Doomsday Book Connie Willis 4.055 383
95 A Civil Campaign Lois McMaster Bujold 4.055 100
96 The Lathe of Heaven Ursula K. Le Guin 4.050 277
97 Solaris Stanislaw Lem 4.050 206
98 The Midwich Cuckoos John Wyndham 4.050 91
99 Foundation and Empire Isaac Asimov 4.045 270
100 Wool Hugh Howey 4.045 85


Edited by kcirbuk 2024-12-04 4:56 AM
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lisagarrity
Posted 2024-12-04 4:32 PM (#30652 - in reply to #30016)
Subject: Re: Highest user rated list



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Location: California		Thank you for the list. It's fascinating. There are books on the list I haven't read yet and a couple like Aldiss' Non-Stop that I wasn't even aware of.
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Posted 2024-12-06 2:50 AM (#30653 - in reply to #30651)
Subject: RE: Highest user rated list



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kcirbuk - 2024-12-04 4:47 AM I had some time on my hands a while a go so went through the lists to figure out the highest rated books. In case anyone is interested!

Top 100 rated Science-Fiction books (minimum number of ratings = 80)

That looks like a great list to me! Nicely done.

We've been noodling about the member-rated list and the length of our lists in general and we've come up with a plan that should make everyone happy. We're going to split the WWEnd data-derived lists into 3 tabs for SF, Fantasy and Horror:

  • Top Nominated Books
  • Top Listed Books
  • Most Read Books
  • Top Member-Rated Books (forthcoming)
  • Award Winning Books by Women Authors
That will allow us to display more books across the 3 tabs while keeping each of the lists in check. By breaking the list out into 3 we'll be able to reach deeper into each genre. To get ~100 books in each genre we'll use a different minimum of noms/listings/reads/ratings/winners to get us as close to 100 as possible.
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