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Posted 2014-03-27 12:56 AM (#6757)
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Now that we have the Mythopoeic Awards what can we expect next up?

 I want to recast my vote for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Award (its been mentioned elsewhere). Whatever your feelings about Libertarianism its a great award with many high quality books.

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Posted 2014-03-27 8:51 AM (#6758 - in reply to #6757)
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htaccess - 2014-03-27 12:56 AM

Now that we have the Mythopoeic Awards what can we expect next up?

 I want to recast my vote for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Award (its been mentioned elsewhere). Whatever your feelings about Libertarianism its a great award with many high quality books.

We've been discussing this recently and it looks like what we're going to do is put together a list of award candidates (Prometheus, Tiptree, Aurealis, Ditmar, Hugo/Locus 1st Novel, Gemmell etc.) and conduct a poll to let our members pick the next one that we add.  We'll post the number of missing books to complete each award in the poll so everyone can see if there are any low hanging fruit.

I know I keep saying it but we are actually really close to getting user submissions finished.  When that gets wrapped we'll open submissions to a handful of users (Uber Users and log time friends of WWEnd to start) and get that group to focus on adding the missing books for whichever award wins the poll.  With everyone working the same award we'll be able to add it much faster.  If it works we'll do another poll for the next award and the next and so on until we just run out.  Of course we can do the same with the best of lists too so maybe we'll mix 'em in with the awards.

That's the plan for now at least. It all depends upon available time, as usual.  We're getting crushed at work (lots of overtime and business trips etc.) and the regular site maintenance has been heavy too (RYO reviews, contests etc.) so I can't give any meaningful timeline at this point.  I did want to let you guys know what we're working towards at least.

Actually, if anyone wants to help us out there's plenty of research needed for the awards I've mentioned above. So, for instance, if you want to do the research for Prometheus you could compile a spread sheet with the complete list of books, authors and publishers with the award years etc. and flag the missing ones that will save me from having to do it and I can work on some other site enhancements.  If you are interested in helping just let everyone know in this thread which award you want to research so we don't have any overlap.

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Posted 2014-03-27 12:10 PM (#6759 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave, I'll do the research for the Aurealis Fantasy and Aurealis SF. When I finish those, I might take on the Horror ones too, if no one else is interested, but let's see how long the others take. BTW, the Aurealis children's award looks "complicated."
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Posted 2014-03-27 12:21 PM (#6760 - in reply to #6757)
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I'm happy to do the Gemmell, since I'm the one who suggested it. And it's only been going a few years.

The biggest problem is that a Warhammer book won one year, I believe, and that could be a can of worms.

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Posted 2014-03-27 2:02 PM (#6761 - in reply to #6760)
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Thanks Rhonda and Dr. N!

Rhonda, just skip the children's category for now.  We're looking at adult and YA only at this time.

Doc, Warhammer is indeed a can of worms!  The Horus Heresy is pretty extensive but a drop in the bucket next to the whole of Warhammer.  Perhaps we'll find an Uber User who's a fan and is willing to dive in!  I get a little giddy looking at the Star Wars universe too.  So many books!

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Posted 2014-03-27 3:33 PM (#6762 - in reply to #6757)
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Polls are a great idea for deciding what award/list to work on next. Glad to hear the user submission capability is still alive, when it arrives it will help take the load off the admins and keep things rolling smoothly.

The biggest worry is that we will run out of awards and lists to add!
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Posted 2014-03-27 4:05 PM (#6763 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave, A similar warning as Dr. N. The Aurealis SF has at least 3 Doctor Who books on it. I think they are from different series of novels. However, I have a pretty good source that can help untangle that knot, if you decide to go down that road.
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Posted 2014-03-27 8:52 PM (#6764 - in reply to #6757)
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I would be more than happy to work on a spreadsheet for the Tiptree.
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Posted 2014-03-27 9:47 PM (#6765 - in reply to #6762)
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htaccess - 2014-03-27 3:33 PM Polls are a great idea for deciding what award/list to work on next. Glad to hear the user submission capability is still alive, when it arrives it will help take the load off the admins and keep things rolling smoothly. The biggest worry is that we will run out of awards and lists to add!

I'm glad you like the idea.  We definitely want to give our members more say in how things develop on the site and we hope the poll will be a bit of fun.  The user submissions is an exciting new direction for us.  We've got lots of members who want to pitch in and we're finally going to give them an avenue to do so.

It may take awhile to run out of awards but more are being created all the time plus we want to get to some of the best anthology/collection awards that are part of the Hugo and Locus awards etc. too.  We've gotten many requests for more coverage there.

Rhondak101 - 2014-03-27 4:05 PM Dave, A similar warning as Dr. N. The Aurealis SF has at least 3 Doctor Who books on it. I think they are from different series of novels. However, I have a pretty good source that can help untangle that knot, if you decide to go down that road.

Ah, yes!  Hadn't thought of that.  The big series don't scare me so much knowing we'll have some help with the data entry soon.  I fully expect we'll find some uber fans who will take it on themselves to fill in the big franchises.  It can't be as convoluted as the Star Wars universe, can it?

HRO - 2014-03-27 8:52 PM I would be more than happy to work on a spreadsheet for the Tiptree.

That would be much appreciated!  I think we're pretty close as a result of the WoGF so Tiptree may be that low hanging fruit.  On the short stories that have been nominated we'll need to know what collection or anthology they're originally from so we can list the book on the site.

Thanks everyone!

 

 

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Posted 2014-03-27 10:42 PM (#6766 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave, there are 5 Doctor Who novels in the Aurealis SF list. "Set Piece" is from The Virgin New Doctor Who Adventures Series. It is #35 of 61. "Walking to Babylon" is from The Virgin New Doctor Who Adventures, but the Bernice Summerfield series, not the regular series. It is #10 of 23. "Unnatural History" is from BBC Books' Eighth Doctor Adventures, #23 of 73. "Fallen Gods" is from Telos Doctor Who Novellas Series, and #10 of 15. Finally, "Blue Box" is from BBC Books' Past Doctor Adventures. It is #59 of 76.
I don't know much about Star War books, but I'm guessing this is more convoluted, when each book originates from a different series!!
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Posted 2014-03-28 8:22 AM (#6767 - in reply to #6765)
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Administrator - 2014-03-27 10:47 PM

I think we're pretty close as a result of the WoGF so Tiptree may be that low hanging fruit. On the short stories that have been nominated we'll need to know what collection or anthology they're originally from so we can list the book on the site.


Yes, it seems that a good percentage of books from the Tiptree list are in the database and will just have to be designated for the prize. As I work on the spreadsheet, I seem to be noticing a trend that many of the missing books are from Aqueduct Press; I don't know if that is meaningful or not in regards to adding these to the database.

The short stories are going to be a pain in the..............(foot). Some of them are from magazines, some are only available online, etc. Any thoughts on how you want to handle that?
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Posted 2014-03-28 9:07 AM (#6768 - in reply to #6757)
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I've done a quick bit of research this lunchtime, and the Gemmell Legend (ie Best Novel) award has only 4 books missing, from a total of 26, with only 2 of them from new authors. One of them is the aforementioned Warhammer book, but it looks like the smallest containing set might only be a trilogy.
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Posted 2014-03-28 1:01 PM (#6770 - in reply to #6757)
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CLICK HERE to view the spreadsheet for the Tiptree award. This only includes novels and story collections. I plan to do another spreadsheet (or something) for individual stories. It's still a rough draft; I need to do some double checking and editing. But let me know if this will work for you.
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Posted 2014-03-28 1:51 PM (#6771 - in reply to #6766)
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Rhondak101 - 2014-03-27 10:42 PM I don't know much about Star War books, but I'm guessing this is more convoluted, when each book originates from a different series!!

Yeah, that's going to be fun to figure out... for somebody

HRO - 2014-03-28 8:22 AM The short stories are going to be a pain in the..............(foot). Some of them are from magazines, some are only available online, etc. Any thoughts on how you want to handle that?

That's exactly why we haven't done the Tiptree already.  My thought is we put in the original publication when it's from a collection or anthology or if it came from a magazine originally we would try and find a later collection or anthology that has it.  Basically it needs to be in a book so we can link it to Amazon and so people can get their hands on the story.  No idea how we should handle the online or unavailable ones at this time.  Somebody will come up with something eventually.

DrNefario - 2014-03-28 9:07 AM I've done a quick bit of research this lunchtime, and the Gemmell Legend (ie Best Novel) award has only 4 books missing, from a total of 26, with only 2 of them from new authors. One of them is the aforementioned Warhammer book, but it looks like the smallest containing set might only be a trilogy.

Ah, very nice!  I like a quick win.

HRO - 2014-03-28 1:01 PM CLICK HERE to view the spreadsheet for the Tiptree award. This only includes novels and story collections. I plan to do another spreadsheet (or something) for individual stories. It's still a rough draft; I need to do some double checking and editing. But let me know if this will work for you.

This is awesome! It looks like we're got a little more than half of the required books so not too shabby.  Thanks for jumping in with both feet!

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Posted 2014-03-29 8:13 AM (#6772 - in reply to #6771)
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And the spreadsheet is complete !!! (though I still want to do some editing, including going over it with a fresh brain to catch some typos).

There are three tabs in the spreadsheets - novels/collections, individual stories, and other (anthologies, non-fiction, etc.) There are only about four or five stories that don't seem to be available anywhere except the original magazine/ezine so it's more complete than I thought it was going be.

Glad to help out! And now I shall go resume my life.
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Posted 2014-03-29 12:33 PM (#6773 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave,
I'll be sending you the Aurealis SF and Fant spreadsheets soon. However, this is what I've learned.

To Add Aurealis SF awards (with related series books, but not counting the 5 Doctor Who series), add 80-85 new books
To Add Aurealis Fantasy awards (with related series books), add about 150 books
To Add Aurealis SF and F awards, add between 55 and 60 new authors (some authors appear on both lists only counted once)

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Posted 2014-04-01 7:57 AM (#6801 - in reply to #6757)
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My Gemmell Award spreadsheet is here. Assuming I just copied the right link.

4 books missing from the award list, plus 2 authors, and 1 or 2 publishers.

3 additional books required to complete series containing those missing books.

There is a second tab for the Morningstar (new author) award, but I haven't looked at that yet.
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Posted 2014-04-02 9:02 AM (#6812 - in reply to #6772)
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HRO - 2014-03-29 8:13 AM And the spreadsheet is complete !!! (though I still want to do some editing, including going over it with a fresh brain to catch some typos). There are three tabs in the spreadsheets - novels/collections, individual stories, and other (anthologies, non-fiction, etc.) There are only about four or five stories that don't seem to be available anywhere except the original magazine/ezine so it's more complete than I thought it was going be. Glad to help out! And now I shall go resume my life.

Thanks so much for the effort!  Glad to hear there are only a handful of availability issues for us to deal with.

Rhondak101 - 2014-03-29 12:33 PM Dave, I'll be sending you the Aurealis SF and Fant spreadsheets soon. However, this is what I've learned. To Add Aurealis SF awards (with related series books, but not counting the 5 Doctor Who series), add 80-85 new books To Add Aurealis Fantasy awards (with related series books), add about 150 books To Add Aurealis SF and F awards, add between 55 and 60 new authors (some authors appear on both lists only counted once) Rhonda

Thanks, Rhonda, I got the spreadsheets!  Very thorough as expected   This is not low hanging fruit by any means but The Land Down Under has produced many fine authors and they are definitely under-represented on the site right now.  I think this award will go a long way towards rectifying that.  Of course this brings up an interesting question about which of the Aurealis awards to add first.  More on this point further down.

DrNefario - 2014-04-01 7:57 AM My Gemmell Award spreadsheet is here. Assuming I just copied the right link. 4 books missing from the award list, plus 2 authors, and 1 or 2 publishers. 3 additional books required to complete series containing those missing books. There is a second tab for the Morningstar (new author) award, but I haven't looked at that yet.

Thanks, DrNefario!   This one looks really good too and we're not far off from completing it which is nice.

So, I got to thinking about the awards we should be adding to the site a little more carefully and I've come up with a more complete list of the ones that are still active that we would like to consider for the poll.  Here's what I came up with:

  • Andre Norton
  • Aurealis SF
  • Aurealis Fantasy
  • Aurealis Horror
  • Aurealis YA
  • Aurealis Collection
  • Aurealis Anthology
  • Aurora (English)
  • Bram Stoker First Novel
  • BramStoker YA
  • Bram Stoker Collection
  • Bram Stoker Anthology
  • David Gemmel Legend Award
  • David Gemmel Morningstar Award
  • Ditmar
  • The Kitschies Red Tentacle
  • The Kitschies Golden Tentacle
  • Locus 1st Novel
  • Locus Collection
  • Locus Anthology
  • Prometheus
  • SF&F Translation Award
  • Shirley Jackson Collection
  • Shirley Jackson Anthology
  • Sidewise
  • Sunburst
  • Sunburst YA
  • Tiptree

As you can see I've separated out the different categories for each award that has multiple novel/book categories that would apply to WWEnd.  This has made the list quite a bit longer and has created some interesting problems for our members to sort out in the poll.

Each award has it's pros and cons as far as which should get priority in the voting.  The Tiptree would give us more women authors/works which is a big priority for us but the Aurealis would help us boost our Australian author content as would the Ditmar.  We've had calls for more anthologies and collections to be added to the site, a goal that I share, and as you can see there are many awards to help us cover those more thoroughly.  We're still a little behind on the Horror so perhaps the Stoker needs to go first.  For that matter YA is still growing in the genre and we could use some help there as well.  And of course, there's the question of should we go for the ones that are closest to being completed?  The Gemmell will be far quicker to add than the Tiptree for example.

However it works out, it will be interesting to watch.  I think we'll want to narrow the list down to a handful of choices for the poll to make it a little more manageable.  If you had to pick 5 from this list to vote on which ones do you think would do the most for the site?

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Posted 2014-04-02 10:04 AM (#6813 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave, You know that the researcher in me is going to look up all of these awards However, at first thought I would note two things. I think that there's going to be a lot of author overlap between the four Aurealis categories and the Ditmar, so that's less work in the long run. Second, I'd start with Aurealis SF (of the two awards I've done the spread sheets for) because the amount of series in the Fantasy awards is insane!
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Posted 2014-04-02 11:39 AM (#6818 - in reply to #6757)
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Before moving on to new awards, any thoughts on updating and sorting out the mess that is the BFS awards? My vote would be for splitting them into 2, the Derleth and the Holroyd.
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Posted 2014-04-02 12:48 PM (#6822 - in reply to #6757)
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Justifiedsinner, I think you mean Holdstock, right?
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Posted 2014-04-02 2:17 PM (#6823 - in reply to #6812)
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I put together a spreadsheet for the Sunburst Award but didn't share it because the database is missing most of the books. You can see it HERE.

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Posted 2014-04-02 3:52 PM (#6827 - in reply to #6822)
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@Rhondak101

I did indeed. Thanks for the correction.

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Posted 2014-04-02 4:14 PM (#6829 - in reply to #6757)
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Dave, I'd vote for a variety of collections and anthologies with a few of the quick additions before tacking the well established national book awards.
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Posted 2014-04-02 6:25 PM (#6831 - in reply to #6812)
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There are several awards the have a category for best collection that are not included in your list - World Fantasy, Nebula, Hugo, etc. I'm not sure exactly, but I know most of them have it.

Another award to add to the list is the Gaylactic Spectrum Award. You can view the spreadsheet HERE. It's similar in scope to the Tiptree ("to honor works in science fiction, fantasy and horror which include positive explorations of gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered characters, themes, or issues") so there are a few titles to appear on both lists. (Two birds, one stone, etc.)

The Gaylactic does get a bit complicated because in various years additional categories were added (stories, graphic novels, other works, etc.). But perhaps it could initially be added to the site with just the novels?
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